The LOTR Movie Site
May 17, 2000
Arwen and Luthien
First a word in agreement that I feel Arwen should be given a
greater role in the film. It would do no harm to expand on the relationship between her
I think a major point in the comparison between these is the
attitude of the respective fathers which has already been well covered.
However, a the key aspect between them seems to have been twisted. This is the idea that
they both share their looks and situation (as elf maids doomed to love mortal men) and
must be seen to do something to help them in their respective quests..
The argument for a martial, active Arwen seems to be based on the misguided impression
that Luthien fought Sauron, Morgoth etc and so gives scope for Arwen to do the same, yet
completely fails to see how such an elf maiden achieved these things.
Luthien was not just an elf maid, she was part Maia. Her power came from within and
through her voice. In no part of her tale does she ever use a weapon or wear armour. In
fact she does not defeat Sauron, Huan does this for her. thoughout her tale, it is the
purity/sweetness of her voice that calms and causes the minions and monsters of morgoth to
sleep. This is the essence of the elf maiden, purity and loveliness beyond human
comprehension, enough to calm even the most savage beast. Their quest was achived by
stealth not arms.
So why, oh why, should another elf maiden suddenly take up arms ? I could understand her
coming along with the dunedain of the north, standard furled, wishing to see and help her
love. ( (If she has 'run away' it raises the question where have the sons of elrond gone?)
Perhaps her elven 'power and purity' could provide help and comfort on the paths of the
dead, or in any situation that calls for calm or stealth. But surely not hacking orcs and
The whole thing just smacks of a complete mistaken view on what elves are in middle earth
and this undermines the whole foundation of history and background to the story.
Arwen yes, but not in armour please.